Making money in Israel

topic posted Fri, January 26, 2007 - 6:29 PM by  لیلا کارولین...
I am going to Israel in June. I am planning on staying a few months, leaving after my visa expires, and possibly coming back soon thereafter.

As a dancer and a native english speaker, is there money (I don't need much) to be made in performing and/or teaching english?
How about nannying?

Does anyone have any experience or knowledge regarding work there?

Thanks!
  • Re: Making money in Israel

    Sat, January 27, 2007 - 12:36 AM
    i don't know about making real money dancing (what kind, belly dancing?) or teaching english, but if you're not worried about mad money, it's pretty easy to get a job bartending or waittressing if you speak a little hebrew? try the jerusalem and tel aviv tribes, depending on where you want to live. not all of those people are in this tribe.
    • Re: Making money in Israel

      Mon, January 29, 2007 - 10:21 PM
      Thanks for the info.

      I'm a persian classical dancer (think of the persian court, hafez, rumi, persian miniature paintings), but I can also dance arabi (belly dance).

      What I am basically asking is, are english teachers and/or dancers in demand in Israel?

      If I study a Hebrew phrase book between now and June, would that be enough to work in a restaurant?
      • Re: Making money in Israel

        Fri, February 2, 2007 - 9:50 AM
        i doubt you'd make enough to even get by with dancing and english, though you could possibly get a few gigs. a hebrew phrase book is a good start because there are people here who DON'T speak english, but if that's all you have then you should look into jobs that only require english. there are two places for that - and this is valuable information here:

        www.jobs-israel.com/ for all of israel, but these are *real* jobs

        groups.yahoo.com/group/janglo/ for jerusalem, swith the 'j' to a 't' for tel aviv
        you could even post an ad for your dancing and english lessons there, though i wouldn't do that until you're already here because you should post an israeli cell phone number with the ad.
        • Re: Making money in Israel

          Tue, February 6, 2007 - 5:56 PM
          Thanks Spaztic,
          Sounds ominous, but at least I'll be prepared!
          My housing will be free. Does that make a major difference in the cost of living?
          • Re: Making money in Israel

            Wed, February 7, 2007 - 6:03 AM
            oh yes, big difference. where will you be, chiquita?

            hey, did you see this?

            www.haaretz.com/hasen/spages/822736.html

            Last update - 02:17 07/02/2007
            Yad Vashem's Farsi-language Web site proves to be a big success
            By Amiram Barkat, Haaretz Correspondent

            About 20,000 people from throughout the world, including 6,000 from Iran, have visited Yad Vashem's Farsi-language Web site since its launch just 12 days ago.
            Dozens of Iranian visitors to the site have sent e-mails to Yad Vashem asking for more information on the Holocaust.
            Yad Vashem officials stressed that this is a record number of visitors, and equals the annual number of visitors to the English-language Web site.
            • Re: Making money in Israel

              Thu, February 8, 2007 - 11:28 PM
              Thanks Spastic!
              I'll be in Hulon, just south of Tel Aviv.
              Is that close to you?
              Can you tell me anything about Hulon?
              How can I get around there?
              Besides housing, what are typical living expenses (tight budget)?

              Thanks for the link.
              No, I did not know about it.
              What a great idea.
              Iran, not being a destination for holocaust survivors, has a population with little to no knowledge about the holocaust. Armenian holocaust survivors came in droves to Iran, as well as Kords from Turkey. Iranians know much more about those situations.

              Peace sister
              • Re: Making money in Israel

                Sat, February 10, 2007 - 10:13 AM
                Holon is pretty hick town, BUT it's really easy to get back & forth to Tel Aviv from there. Eating out costs (aside from falafel & shawarma) MUCH more than it does in the U.S. but if you know about the 25 NIS/all you can eat Indian restaurants in TA and a few other places you can make do, but Israelis suggest eating at home & packing a lunch to cut costs bc a typical cafe meal can run you $15-$20 easily. weird but true. take the bus instead of cabs and i suppose it is possible to live on the cheap.

                i think the persian people have had enough of ahmadenijihad (intentional misspelling!) and are interested in hearing about these things for themselves. the persian government is so fucked it almost makes the PA look good. that said, i loved the winner of iran's holocaust cartoon contest, did you see that? very poignant message.
                • Re: Making money in Israel

                  Sat, February 10, 2007 - 1:44 PM
                  Thanks for the info Spastic. Hick town eh? That's alright. I live a hick town myself. Is it less than 20 minutes from the city, with bus? I suppose I'll be eating lots of falafel, shawarma, home cooking, and indian then. So, groceries are at least affordable then.

                  We're sick of our government. Ahmadinejad is just the president. He has no power . The clerics run the show. Why people pay attention to him is beyond me.
                  As an iranian, 2 things are certain to me, Iran is not a threat (one misstep and Iran is going down hard!), and that violence is never the answer. My people have suffered enough. Another war??? We don't want that, even if we can earn our "freedom" through dying (sarcasm). Iran is on a steady course back to the democracy that existed there before the CIA launched a coup in 1954 to oust Mossadegh and bring in monarchy. Arabs are jeolous of the freedoms that Iranians have. I wish you could see it yourself. That's enough ranting.

                  Peace sister
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                    Israel and Iran

                    Mon, February 12, 2007 - 2:40 PM
                    domestic groceries are pretty cheap and mostly high quality, it's just imported foods that are expensive.

                    hmm. interesting perspective. betsy grinspoon -very interesting person- recently sent me Reading Lolita - as she'd liked it and thought i would. i found it very hard to get through, as too much of it was about the literature (and i LOVE literature and literary criticism, but disliked her choice of authors) and too little about the women she taught. but in her book the government sounds weirdly controlling. did you read that? what's your take?
                    • Re: Israel and Iran

                      Fri, February 23, 2007 - 11:00 PM
                      Thanks for the tip on groceries. Local produce is seasonal and better anyways.
                      I have read much of reading lolita in tehran, but it is so boring. It is a good glimpse into a VERY VERY different world. Theocracy is no joke. If it says that drinking is bad in the Qor'an, it is illegal for all Moslems in Iran to drink. The book accurately describes the controlling nature of the government at the time the book was written. Things there change so fast. I haven't visited for 1.5 years, so I couldn't tell you what it is precisely like there now, but I hear that the government is becoming laxer by the day. When I lived there in 96 & 97, police officers targeted women considered to be inappropriately dressed. Flying to Iran is a very funny experience. You get on the plane in western clothes (most Iranians would not wear hejab (Islamic cover) if they didn't have to, drink alcoholic beverages freely thoughout the flight, as if you're flying to any other place. While we descend towards Tehran, women dawn head scarves and light coats or tunics long enough to cover the hips. This time I was soooo surprised to find that no one cared to take of their make-up or cover all their hair. Some of the coats were ridiculous, full of slits. I nervously entered the airport as I had in the 90's. My forearms were visible and my tunic kept riding up my back. The scarves are also a joke, at least for me, they fall off all the time! In 2005, police actually helped me when I was wearing something many times more revealing than what was once illegal back in the 90's. I was shocked to find that women walked the streets of Iran in sexy outfits, including stiletto heals, tight clothes, most hair visible, and make-up while being protected by the islamic government. In fact, I feel safer in Tehran (okay, the driving is insane, but at least they know how to drive) than I do here in the Bay Area. If some creep is bothering me, I can get the police to take him in, or at least scare him enough to think before he ever does that again.
                      Iran is a beautiful and amazing country. Like any other place, if you are lucky enough to be permitted to enter, if you have some friends, you are sure to have a fantastic time. However, if you are unaccustomed to living a dual identity, then you will be very disappointed. You must be asexual in public, very unwestern! Could go on about women's rights, etc...This is why the western world cannot and probably will never understand Iran.
                      • Re: Israel and Iran

                        Sat, March 3, 2007 - 5:20 AM
                        wow. i don't think i'd feel comfortable traveling in iran today, but maybe some day. in some ways, i think israelis have more in common with iran and lebanon than with some of our other neighbors, but maybe some day we'll all be united. i can't imagine wearing stiletto heels, regardless of where i was, though. this is something that is beyond me, utterly. slits in the coats too. i don't mind dressing a bit modestly myself, but then, as there's no societal pressure to do so, i don't have any need to rebel on that point. maybe in iran i'd be wearing heels and makeup as well. rock on to the troublemakers of the world!
                      • Re: Israel and Iran

                        Sat, March 3, 2007 - 6:25 AM
                        hi Leila,

                        Longtime no see...

                        I'm in Jerusalem right now and I can tell you how amazed I am at how much it costs to live here relative to what people make. if you absoltely must make money here while visiting than I would strongly caution you to reconsider. Israel is an expensive country to travel in. Yes it's true that for the most part fruits and vegetables are of relatively high quality and are cheap but pretty much everything else is the same in the US or more expensive. usually when people travel, they have to rely more on restaraunts as opposed to buying groceries and cooking for yourself. israeli restaurants (I don't include felafel joints and traditional middle east fare) are expensive relative to the quality in the US, especially if your from the bay area. You have to remember that in America you have options and as Israel is a small country, you often dont have the opportunity to get the item you want in the quality or the price you wish. For example, in America you have the run of the mill supermarkets for cheap stuff, trader joes for slightly more expensive stuff for better quality, and if you really want to blow away your wallet, places like whole foods. In Israel, you pretty much have generic supermarkets and the souks, and that's about it.

                        Last I recall you were a vegetarian or a vegan. I'm still a veggie and have found it more diffucult to do so out here. There are fewer soy products out here so I rely heavily on dairy and legumes such as for my protein. "Vegetarian" translated as "simchoni" in hebrew doesn't include fish and I think things made of chicken broth would be considered "simchoni", so there is not much understanding out here for vegetarians. You can definately get by with standard middle eastern fare which is much higher quality in the states, but felafel gets old fast...

                        That said, you can make it here relativily cheap if your careful with your money. I wouldn't come here with the intentiion of making money here to fund your trip. You'd spend too much time looking for work for very little reward. Although, there is always demand for English here, there are many Americans here, so just because you are a native speaker, doesn't mean that you offer a service that is critically needed. Anecdotally, I've been told that competent tutors can fetch around 60-70 shekles an hour (around 15 bucks or so) but I dont know anyone who has done this.

                        Hostels aren't cheap in Israel either, they cost about as much as they do in Europe. In jerusalem, I can recommend the Petra Hostel in Jaffa Gate (about $10US in a dorm) if you are flexible with regard to cleanliness and facilities, but it's cheap and a backpaper's mecca in Jerusalem. Ask for Gabriel, an intersting guy who can point you in the right direction as far how to get by cheaply in Jerusalem.

                        I may have a way for to save some money travelling to israel, but would rather speak to you about is privately. Let me know if you'd be interested.

                        Also, I know Goa Gill will be in Greece in June and in other parts of europe during the summer. If you're interested, I'm very much intersted in organizing a posse from Israel to go check him out.

                        Feel free to contact me if you have any questions and I'd be happy to help if I can.

                        Mike
                        • Re: Israel and Iran

                          Tue, March 6, 2007 - 9:40 AM
                          mike, if you're already in jerusalem and vegetarian then let me tell you about a cheap place to eat well. rahmo's - NO ENGLISH MENU and they don't speak english either, so if you don't speak hebrew go with a friend. lentil soup (only available in winter) 13 NIS and it's excellent. beans and rice i think something similar, darn cheap. half an order of fresh hummus - 8 NIS. there's more, this place has been around for over 50 years and is located right next to the shuk, ask for directions, second location on yoel solomon.
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                            Wed, March 7, 2007 - 11:53 AM
                            thanks for the tip. I've been to "taste of life" in tel aviv, the Black Hebrews place where they serve delicious pho-meat shwarmas. Do you know of anyhting like that in Jerusalem? Would happen to knoe wher eto get tempeh? i'm not sure it even exists in ISrael.
                            • Re: Israel and Iran

                              Thu, March 8, 2007 - 12:23 PM
                              the best vegetarian place in jerusalem is the village green with 7 kinds of awesome soup every day (and they let you taste them first!), though there's a FABULOUS indian place at the crown plaza, called kohinoor, with lots of veggie dishes, a bit expensive. i admit there is more selection and more upscale veggie places in tel aviv, though kohinoor is the best indian in israel. still, every kosher dairy restaurant is veggie and jerusalem is almost completely kosher.
                              • Re: Israel and Iran

                                Thu, March 8, 2007 - 4:46 PM
                                thanks again for the tips spastic,

                                i think ive passed by the village green; it's on jaffa pretty close to Kikkar Zion, right? As a starving student i unfortunately dont have the funds to experience israeli restaurants all that often, but the best indian in israel sounds like a good excuse.
                                • Re: Israel and Iran

                                  Fri, March 9, 2007 - 3:41 PM
                                  yeah, definitely. i make my parents take me to kohinoor, as it's out of my budget too, seeing as i work for a non-profit. this one:

                                  www.aspni.org
                                  • Re: Israel and Iran

                                    Sun, March 11, 2007 - 12:03 AM
                                    that looks like an intersting non-profit. i hope you work in eilat as well. I was in eilat last year scuba diving and saw a coral graveyard. Very sad considering how small a chunk of the red sea coral reef Israel has in its possession.
                        • Re: Israel and Iran

                          Sat, March 10, 2007 - 11:07 PM
                          Hi Mike, a lot has changed since we last crossed paths. I don't party anymore, and I am not vegetarian. I am not going to Israel for fun. I will be living with friends who will show me around, the cheap way. I have lived in Switzerland (more expensive than the US) and Iran (difficult in many ways) before, so I'm sure I can pull it off, I suppose without working. I intend on traveling in the region by land too, which should be affordable. Heck, if my money runs out, I can always teach English in Iran! How many native english speakers live there? Or, come back. Thanks for your concern. All the tips on this thread are very helpful.
                          • Re: Israel and Iran

                            Sun, March 11, 2007 - 12:07 AM
                            hi leila. i know what you mean about partying, I've pretty much stopped myself and only really make it out for Goa gil which was a long time ago for me.

                            i didnt mean to scare you off from israel its just that many people think that becasue its in the mideast and people in israel make half what americans make, its cheap for americans to travel there, but you seem like youll be fine.

                            israeli food is pretty well labeled as long as you can read some hebrew. I'm allergic to onions and have to ask or recognoze the hebrew word in the ingrediants list whenever i go grocery shopping.

                            good luck in the land of milk and honey
                            • Re: Israel and Iran

                              Sun, March 11, 2007 - 1:58 PM
                              ingredients are labeled, but as mike says, primarily in hebrew. you'll get by. for the record, i still party and there are more alternative places in jerusalem than the rest of the country combined, though the freaks and the hippies are spread out across the land.

                              we have minimal activity not related to ornithology in eilat. there are so many pressing issues in israel it's hard to cover everything, even though we are by far the largest environmental group with 800 employees nationally. the next largest has something under 30. very sad about the coral reef. as far as i know our field school (with cheap beach-side accomodations, adjacent to the nature reserve) deals with this issue to some degree, you'd have to ask them.
                              • Re: Israel and Iran

                                Sun, March 11, 2007 - 11:06 PM
                                Spastic,

                                "i still party and there are more alternative places in jerusalem than the rest of the country combined"

                                im not really sure what you mean by "party" but I find the second part of your statement hard to believe consiudering all the activity in Tel Aviv. Maybe what you mean by alternative places you mean new age religious jewish stuff, in which case I think I know what you're talking about. maybe its beacuase I havent been in jerusalem that much but it seems that jerusalem is lacking a vibrant secular life. if what you say is true it givees me some hope that I can spend another two years here and get my degree at hebrew u, otherwise I'm pretty bored with jerusalem

                                on antoehr note, I asked around about the indian restaraunt, someone told me its like 90 shekels for an entree, too rich for my blood.....
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                                  Re: Israel

                                  Mon, March 12, 2007 - 10:15 AM
                                  Hi Leila,

                                  You can find teaching jobs and nanny jobs. I think finding a nanny job (metapelet in Hebrew) is easier though. You usually get paid 30 shekels and hour. A lot of people find it interesting that you can speak English with the kids, so that they learn some. I would place an ad on www.expatcommunity of israel (a yahoo group) or taanglo or jaanglo (also 2 yahoo groups) Both of them are messaging boards for mostly practical messages.
                                  With teaching English, if you have no experience, you can ask from 60 to 80 shekels. Teaching jobs are just somewhat harder to find, cause you need contacts and making contacts takes time.
                                  It is also easy to find a waitressing job, having some Hebrew might help you out.

                                  Also check out my webpage with lots of links to help you "Get around in Israel". www.getaroundinisrael.tk
                                • Re: Israel and Iran

                                  Thu, March 15, 2007 - 9:03 AM
                                  yes, well i've worked in tel aviv 3 years now and have been on the rainbow gathering scouting team for 2 - yet i live in jerusalem bc that's where the freaks are. tel aviv has more clubs and bars, but they are what israelis call 'posa' - ask any israeli and they'll tell you the same thing. there are 3 or 4 alternative bars in jerusalem and underground parties all the time, however i'm usually the only anglo there, so if you don't speak hebrew (or involved in the alternative world or art or activist scene in some way) you're not that likely to discover these places.

                                  and i am not into new age religious jewish stuff. i like bizarre, secular parties where palestinians and hareidis and artists and activists and foreigners (dafka, not anglos, they never seem to hear about these things) come together with your everyday weirdo. however, if you are just a regular college student, the alternative life may not appeal to you - and in that case tel aviv would be more fun.
                                  • Re: Israel and Iran

                                    Thu, March 15, 2007 - 11:50 AM
                                    hey spastic,

                                    thanks for the encouragement. I've been told that theres stuuf in jerusalem, but you have to really dig. The magnituide of the haredi presence is pretty overwhelming and not my cup of tea. Living on mount scopus is pretty isolated as you can well imagine, hebrew u seems like a commuter schoo with no active social lifel.

                                    I dont know about rainbow gatherings. I went to one in India once and i think it was too much for me. O however would like to get into the alternative scene out here and would apppreciate any recomendations on where to start.
                                    • Re: Israel and Iran

                                      Fri, March 23, 2007 - 11:36 AM
                                      alternative scene to start (& i still don't know if you speak hebrew)...try uganda. it's a comic book shop/cafe/pub on an alley off of heleni hamalka near the russian compound. not speaking hebrew in israel basically relegates you to hanging out with mainstream anglos and foreigners but you can give uganda a shot and if you like that or speak hebrew, there's bigger better more.
                                      • Saving money

                                        Sun, March 25, 2007 - 11:13 AM
                                        This sounds like it will be a fun trip. Have you thought about working on a Kibbutz. They are all over the country. It will be totally free- a room, meals, communitry, some even pay you a small stipent (like $65). While there you are a volunteer- so you do work on the kibbutz. generally, you can let them know some of the jobs you would be interested in, and they will provide what is available and in need. You do you have free time and you could use that time to explore venues, gigs, etc and dance contacts. I worked on a Kibbutz for four months. I met wonerful people, developed some great connections, and had a fun opportunity to experience some day to day culture. The language helps alot, it is possible to learn lines from a book, but some one-on-one tutorials can really accelerate that learning and give you another boost as you begin to speak and learn in the country. much health, smooth travels- A
                                        • Re: Saving money

                                          Mon, April 9, 2007 - 7:00 PM
                                          Hey Adam, thanks for the kibbutz info. I'd like to check some out. But are they really free? That seems to good to be true. I will be staying with friends, so I probably won't end up living in a kibbutz. I am interested in doing environmental volunteer work. Do kibbutzes do that sort of thing too?
                                          Thanks again,
                                          Leila
                                          • Re: Saving money

                                            Thu, April 12, 2007 - 7:07 PM
                                            Absolutely, Kibbutzim are very environmentally guided. They are free- but you do volunteer about five or six days of work, which could end up being environmental/agricultural. I stayed on Kibbutz Ketura in the south- just a bit north of eliat- very beautiful. I worked in the date fields it was a blast. They also have a small environmental institute called the Arava Institute. It seemed pretty cool. But that wasn't really part of kibbutz life, more curricular and academic. Kibbutzim are beautiful and the life style is sweet. Good luck, Leila. Let me know more as you go. -A
                                            • Re: Saving money

                                              Sun, April 15, 2007 - 2:56 AM
                                              Kibbutz Ketura uses more pesticides and chemical fertilizers than almost any other kibbutz in Israel - they have to because they're located in the barrenest desert. I'd say more, but it's best to be diplomatic. In any case, I doubt they'd lie to you about being anti-environmentalists on the tragedy to the desert which they call a farm, which is highly criticized by greens nationwide.

                                              regarding volunteering for the environment, the tel aviv area you're stationing yourself in is abound with opportunities. check out

                                              www.aspni.org - though the email address for volunteering for SPNI will send you to my work email

                                              and shomreihasviva.tribe.net/

                                              besides SPNI, the only other environmental groups you might want to get involved with all have offices in Tel Aviv's "Green Building"

                                              see the article i was quoted in last week:
                                              www.jpost.com/servlet/Satellite
                                              • Re: Saving money

                                                Tue, April 17, 2007 - 10:06 AM
                                                Whoa. These are imortant truths to know. It's true- treat the planet kindly. Well, maybe Ketura won't be number one for farming and agriculture, but the kibbutz daily life can be a refreshing experience and perspective on living in a circle where you provide and are there by, provided for. Also spastic (?). Do you know if all the kibbutzim in the negev are like that, or, are there kibbutzim that run little cleaner... do you know about yotvata or the other kibbutz between the two? I know yot'vata is primarily dairy- do you know what's up with their dairy-aire:) ? B'shalom, A
                                                • Re: Saving money

                                                  Thu, April 19, 2007 - 1:03 PM
                                                  yotvata is known in israel for their high quality dairy products, but they are in no way organic, nor do they pretend to be. i've heard of some kibbutzim near Hatzeva that use alternative, non-chemical pesticides, like bugs that eat other bugs, but think about it with common sense logic and you'll come up with the same answer scientists have. farming in the most barren of deserts makes no sense - in any way - in an arid country with a constant water shortage, to the extent that all neighboring countries have worried about future wars over water.

                                                  think kibbutz sde eliyahu or moshav amirim or kibbutz harduf for organics.
                                                  • Re: Saving money

                                                    Thu, April 26, 2007 - 6:47 AM
                                                    What about Neot Smadar? Seems like environment and arts friendly community. We drove by it on our way frorm Eilat, their goat cheeses and yogurts are very good.
                                                    I googled this up:
                                                    qtsaver.blogspot.com/2005/11..._16.html
                                                    • Re: Saving money

                                                      Thu, April 26, 2007 - 10:59 AM
                                                      nice! what is better than goat cheese? mmm.
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                                                        Re: Saving money

                                                        Wed, May 23, 2007 - 2:28 PM
                                                        I've been to Israel seven times with very little or no money at all. I've stayed only for short periods, from a few days to a few months only. Israel is an enigma, a true mystery and an adventure ofcourse. The people are friendly and helpful. They can also be abrupt and hard, but they don't really mean it. It's incredible, but I feel very safe there. Yes, sure, the security and interogations at the airport is irritating and exhausting, but what can you do. I've slept at the airport, bus stop, train station and even a highway gutter! I've slept in Kibbutzes, Moshavs, Hotels, Monasteries and hotels too. Only in Israel, beleive you me. I'm planning to go again soon. Does anyone out there want to meet at the airport or the Kibbutz office on Frishman St. in Tel Aviv? I'm on a shoe-string budget, but once you're in a kibbutz you're fine. Can anyone reccomend a good kibbutz? I've stayed and worked for short periods at Ramat Hakovesh, Ein Gev and Moshav Yad Hashmona. Take care. Greetings!
                                                        • Re: Saving money

                                                          Thu, July 5, 2007 - 12:47 AM
                                                          if you have friends there, that's the best way to see israel and take in the culture. a few days here, a few days there. giving back as you take.
                                                          • Israel/Palestine Explorations?

                                                            Thu, July 19, 2007 - 9:03 AM
                                                            Thanks for all the help guys. I found a job without even having to look for it! Now I just need to get out there. There must be so many places that Lonely Planet does not cover, especially nature hikes. Any tips for day hikes throughout the Holy Land? Thanks!!!

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